Witness to genocide
How one survivor of the Armenian Genocide made peace with the past, and why the United States has yet to do likewise
By Jake Armstrong 07/15/2010
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Part II
TURKISH SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF ARMENIANS DELIBERATELY IGNORED
If one cherishes values like fairness, objectivity, truth, and honesty, then one should use the term “Turkish-Armenian conflict”. Asking one “Do you accept or deny Armenian Genocide” shows deep-routed anti-Turkish bias. The question should be re-phrased “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian conflict?”
Turks believe it was an inter communal warfare mostly fought by Turkish and Armenian irregulars, a civil war which is engineered, provoked, and waged by the Armenian revolutionaries, with active support from Russia, England, France, and others, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, against a backdrop of a raging world war.
Armenians, on the other hand, totally ignoring Armenian agitation, raids, rebellions, treason, territorial demands, and Turkish victims killed by Armenians, unfairly claim that it was a one way genocide. While some in unsuspecting public may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for someone like me, the son of Turkish survivors on both maternal and paternal sides.
Those seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922 brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No Turkish family was left touched, mine included. Those nameless, faceless Turkish victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide.
Part III
ALLEGATIONS OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE ARE RACIST AND DISHONEST HISTORY
They are racist because they ignore the Turkish dead: about 3 million during WWI; more than half a million of them at the hands of Armenian nationalists.
And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply dismiss
the six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict:
1) TUMULT (as in numerous Armenian armed uprisings between 1882 and 1920)
2) TERRORISM (by well-armed Armenian nationalists and militias victimizing Ottoman-Muslims between 1882-1920)
3) TREASON (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies as early as 1914 and lasting until 1921)
4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (where Armenians were a minority, not a majority, attempting to establish Greater Armenia, the would-be first apartheid of the 20th Century with a Christian minority ruling over a Muslim majority )
5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists: 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, met their tragic end at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries during WWI, per Turkish Historical Society. This figure is not to be confused with about 2.5 million Muslim dead who lost their lives due to non-Armenian causes during WWI. Grand total: more than 3 million, according to Prof. Justin McCarthy.)
6) TERESET (temporary resettlement) triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.)
Part IV
VERDICT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AMOUNTS TO LYNCHING
Those who take the Armenian “allegations” of genocide at face value seem to also ignore the following:
1- Genocide is a legal, technical term precisely defined by the U.N. 1948 convention (Like all proper laws, it is not retroactive to 1915.)
2- Genocide verdict can only be given by a "competent court" after "due process" where both sides are properly represented and evidence mutually cross examined.
3- For a genocide verdict, the accusers must prove “intent” at a competent court and after due process. This could never be done by the Armenians whose evidence mostly fall into five major categories: hearsay, mis-representations, exaggerations, forgeries, and “other”.
4- Such a "competent court" was never convened in the case of Turkish-Armenian conflict and a genocide verdict does not exist (save a Kangaroo court in occupied Istanbul in 1920 where partisanship, vendettas, and revenge motives left no room for due process.)
5- Genocide claim is political, not historical or factual. It reflects bias against Turks. Therefore, the term genocide must be used with the qualifier "alleged", for scholarly objectivity and truth.
PART V
HISTORY IS A MATTER OF SCHOLARSHIP, NOT CONSENSUS
History is not a matter of "conviction, consensus, political resolutions, political correctness, or propaganda." History is a matter of research, peer review, thoughtful debate, and honest scholarship. Even historians, by definition, cannot decide on a genocide verdict, which is reserved for a "competent court" with its legal expertise and due process.
POLITICAL LYNCHING OF THE TURKS BY ARMENIANS TODAY
What we witness today amounts to lynching of the Turks by Armenians to satisfy the age old Armenian hate, bias, and bigotry. Values like fairness, presumption of innocence until proven guilty, objectivity, balance, honesty, and freedom of speech are stumped under the fanatic Armenian feet. Unprovoked , unjustified, and unfair defamation of Turkey, one of America's closest allies in the troubled Middle East, in order to appease some nagging Armenian activists runs counter to American interests.
Those who claim genocide verdict today, based on the much discredited Armenian evidence, are actually engaging in "conviction and execution without due process". Last time I looked in the dictionary, that was the definition of “lynching”.
Isn’t it time to stop fighting the First World War dishonestly and give peace a real chance?
(PS: For photos of armed Armenian gangs, both in and out of uniform, and their Turkish victims can be seen here: www.ethocide.com )
The last 5 posts are the typical Turkish denialist propaganda at it's finest by Kirli-the-Clown. The truth about the Armenian Genocide is that is was centrally planned and implemented by the Turkish government for the sole purpose of theft of property and possessions by liquidating the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian population. This fact was confirmed by Henry Morganthau, our own US Ambassador who witnessed the Genocide first hand. Morganthau also disproved the excuse of "rebellious Armenians" which was another excuse used to liquidate the whole population. Further, the idea that we should all take into account the "Turkish Suffering" as an even trade off, is akin and is as absurd as feeling sorry for the "Nazi suffering" during WW2.
Anyone wanting facts on the Armenian Genocide and not Turkish Propaganda can just wikipedia it at:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
Well! Everybody's so caught up by the fabled details of their own, special past genocides (millions of my own ancestor's compatriots were intentionally starved to death -- several times, from the 1600s damn-well until the 20th Century -- by the genocidally unacknowledged conduct of England's war criminal royal family) that they (meaning most of us) fail to even recognize the prevailing genocide that America is currently conspiring with Zionland to expand (to the expanding order of hundreds-of-thousands) against Palestine's non-Judaic population.
The word hypocricy cannot even begin to describe what America -- as a taxpaying population -- is sponsoring in what we so sanctimoniously call "The Holy Lands."
http://palestinevideo.blogspot.com/2006/...
DanD
Here you see a typical Armenian bigotry. Anyone who disagrees with them is dirt; to be insulted, intimidated, threatedn, and terrorized. Look at the two racist answers above: do you any shred of facts, ideas, or viewpoints there, other than defamation and falsification?
The facts are simple: Turks and Armenian lived in peaceful co-habitation in Anatolia for nearly a millennium. They would continue to do so today if Armenian did not take up arms against their own government, terrorize their Muslim neighbors, join the invading enemy armies, did not level territorial demands, and did not kill half million Muslim, mostly Turks. Turks were only defending their home like any decent citizen anywhere would do when the sanctity of one's home and country is violated.
Wow, talk about projection ... .
Is it "racist" to merely suggest, acknowledge, or otherwise confirm that Jews -- specifically those functioning within the Zionist culture -- can be war criminals who just casually commit their version of evil against humanity?
Flipside, you sound so much like those Ziobots of the Megaphone ( http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comme... ) brand of shills perpetually running interference for that schitty little war-crimes state operating out of Palestine.
Within the two posts above the last to this one, exactly where are the insults, intimidation, and threats to terrorize? How can anyone be considered as an "anti-Semite" merely because they may have compared a genocide committed against their ancestors with that historically inaccurate, Zio-fable called the Shoa?
Why aren't the war-crooks of Zionland not held criminally responsible for committing the exact same kind and scope of crimes against Palestine's vast majority of non-Jews that the Nazis had assaulted the equally innocent Jews of Germany with?
Why does America's taxpayer consent to the use of THEIR money to support such evil conduct?
Flipside spews his ad-hominem allegations like a porn-star squirting out his whiny essence of intellectual bankruptcy ... flatulence of the brain-case.
See? Calling people names is the cheap way out. Unfortunately for Flipside, it's all he's got.
DanD
Part I
WHAT ABOUT THE TURKISH PAIN AND SUFFERING?
I am one of the eight children of a much ignored and dismissed Balkan-Turkish genocide victim. My father, as a one year-old baby, somehow escaped the horrors of the Balkan wars (1911-13) but without any parents, relations, or even neighbors or acquaintances. All vanished from the face of this earth without a trace. To this day, we don't know where my father's family is buried although we suspect somewhere near the village of Kirlikova, which today sits in northern Greece. In 1912, he was thrown along with thousands of other orphaned Turkish babies into one of the last trains departing from Selanik (Thessaloniki today) to the Ottoman capital of Istanbul. The Ottoman state cared for him until 1923 when the newly-established Turkish republic took over. He graduated from the University of Istanbul in 1939 and served as a forestry engineer for thirty-four years before passing away in 1973.
There are millions of Turks today who have similar stories. Those Turkish refugees who survived massacres in the Balkans, the Aegean Islands, the Crimea, the Caucasus, and elsewhere, were met with yet another cycle of Christian violence in Anatolia at the hands of Greeks in the West and Armenians in the East. Our stories have not been told because of endless Armenian propaganda, such as the above article, which, since 1915, has saturated the West. My pain was never shared. My tears went unnoticed. The story above stirred such deep emotions in me, and a sense of unfairness, bias, and bigotry emanating from it deepened my wound.